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02/03/2021 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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03:33:18 PM Overview: Alaska Lands and Waters History
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"Alaska Lands and Waters History" by Dick Mylius
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        February 3, 2021                                                                                        
                           3:32 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Joshua Revak, Chair                                                                                                     
Senator Peter Micciche, Vice Chair                                                                                              
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Senator Natasha von Imhof                                                                                                       
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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OVERVIEW: ALASKA LANDS AND WATERS HISTORY                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DICK MYLIUS, Natural Resources Consultant                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided a historical overview of Alaska's                                                                
lands and waters.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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3:32:27 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  JOSHUA   REVAK  called   the  Senate   Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to  order at 3:32 p.m.  Present  at the call to                                                               
order were  Senators Bishop, Kawasaki, Kiehl,  Micciche, Stevens,                                                               
and Chair  Revak. Senator  von Imhof  joined the  meeting shortly                                                               
thereafter.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW: Alaska Lands and Waters History                                                                                      
           OVERVIEW: Alaska Lands and Waters History                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:33:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK  announced the purpose of  the meeting is to  hear an                                                               
overview  of  Alaska's  lands  and waters  history  by  Mr.  Dick                                                               
Mylius.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He  noted  Mr.  Mylius  retired from  the  Alaska  Department  of                                                               
Natural  Resources (DNR)  in 2010  with 29  years of  service. He                                                               
added he served as director  for the department's Alaska Division                                                               
of Mining, Land, and Water.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:34:50 PM                                                                                                                    
DICK  MYLIUS, Natural  Resources  Consultant, Anchorage,  Alaska,                                                               
detailed he  previously worked  for almost 30  years for  DNR and                                                               
has been  retired for the  last 10 years.  He said he  has stayed                                                               
engaged and current  on land issues through trainings  he does on                                                               
the Alaska Lands Act including for the Institute of the North.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  his presentation  is  something  that he  has  put                                                               
together for new DNR employees because  it had taken him 15 years                                                               
as a DNR  employee to figure out how the  pieces of Alaska's land                                                               
ownership fit together and thought  sharing the information would                                                               
be useful.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS noted his overview is  part one of two parts, part one                                                               
covers  information up  to  1980.  He said  Ms.  Tina Cunning  is                                                               
addressing the  committee on the  following Monday to  talk about                                                               
the [Alaska  National Interest  Lands Conservation  Act] (ANILCA)                                                               
and some of the things that have happened because of ANILCA.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He explained  his overview will  get the committee members  up to                                                               
how  Alaska got  to  ANILCA.  The act  is  based  on things  that                                                               
happened prior  to its passage,  including influences  going back                                                               
to  Alaska's territorial  days, the  [Alaska Statehood  Act], and                                                               
the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act (ANCSA).                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:36:38 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MYLIUS addressed  slide  1 from  his  overview, Alaska  Land                                                               
History. He  said land ownership  in Alaska is  unique, something                                                               
important to understand when someone  is dealing with individuals                                                               
outside  of   Alaska,  whether  it  be   federal  individuals  in                                                               
Washington,  DC who  are proposing  things  that do  not work  in                                                               
Alaska for various  reasons or other legislatures  who are trying                                                               
to compare Alaska's situation to their situation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS explained  slide 2  details  some of  the reason  why                                                               
Alaska landownership is  unique. A large percentage  of the state                                                               
is public land, 87 percent:  federal, state, and municipal. There                                                               
is  a  large   acreage  area  of  federal  land   set  aside  for                                                               
conservation. Over 60 percent of  federal lands in Alaska are set                                                               
aside for  conservation. The  State of Alaska  owns more  land by                                                               
far than any other state and  has the most generous land grant of                                                               
any state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He  referenced slide  3  and  noted the  other  thing that  makes                                                               
Alaska unique  is two federal laws.  The first one is  ANILCA, no                                                               
other  state has  one federal  law  that applies  to all  federal                                                               
lands within  its bordersat  least  parts of ANILCA apply  to all                                                               
federal  lands.  For  example,   the  subsistence  provisions  in                                                               
ANILCA-Title XIII  and other parts  apply to very  specific units                                                               
of parks and so on. However,  ANILCA applies in one way, shape or                                                               
form to every piece of federal land in Alaska.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS  said no other  state has a comprehensive  federal law                                                               
like ANILCA that makes exceptions  to the nationwide federal land                                                               
laws  such as  the Wilderness  Act. Also,  no other  state has  a                                                               
comprehensive statewide  land settlement with its  Native people,                                                               
that being ANCSA.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:38:40 PM                                                                                                                    
He explained slide 4 references  a U.S. Supreme Court decision on                                                               
Alaska's  unique land  ownership. Two  recent U.S.  Supreme Court                                                               
cases dealt with  John Sturgeon's use of  a state-owned navigable                                                               
water within  a National  Preserve. In  2016, Chief  Justice John                                                               
Roberts specifically addresses the  Park Service's authority, but                                                               
it  applies generally  to  all federal  land,  he paraphrased  as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     ANILCA repeatedly recognizes  that Alaska is different,                                                                    
     and  ANILCA  itself  accordingly  carves  out  numerous                                                                    
     exceptions  to  the  Park Service's  general  authority                                                                    
     over  federally   managed  preservation   areas.  Those                                                                    
     Alaska  specific provisions  reflect  the simple  truth                                                                    
     that Alaska is often the exception, not the rule.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS said  slide  5 details  his  presentation outline  as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   • Native use and occupancy                                                                                                   
   • Russian ownership                                                                                                          
   • Federal ownership                                                                                                          
   • Statehood Act                                                                                                              
   • Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act                                                                                        
   • Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS explained  slide 6  shows general  land ownership  in                                                               
Alaska. The color-coded map of Alaska shows the following:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   • Green: Federal National Parks, National Wildlife Refuges,                                                                  
     and National Forests                                                                                                       
   • Blue: State Lands                                                                                                          
   • Dark Grey: [Bureau of Land Management] (BLM) National                                                                      
     Petroleum Reserve                                                                                                          
   • Tan: Other BLM Lands                                                                                                       
   • Pink: Native Corporation Lands                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He  noted  the  map  also shows  military  properties,  municipal                                                               
lands, etcetera.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:40:22 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MYLIUS referenced federal acreage  via an Alaska map on slide                                                               
7, Federal Land, as follows:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   • National Parks: 54 million acres                                                                                           
   • National Wildlife Refuges: 77 million acres                                                                                
   • National Forests: 22 million acres                                                                                         
   • BLM-National Petroleum Reserve: 23 million acres                                                                           
   • Other BLM: 51 million acres                                                                                                
   • Military: 2 million acres                                                                                                  
   • Total Federal Land: 242 million acres (60 percent of                                                                       
     Alaska)                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He said  at the time  ANILCA passed, approximately  70-80 percent                                                               
of all acreage  in the National Wildlife Refuges in  the Lower 48                                                               
are generally  small tracks of  land, whereas in Alaska  they are                                                               
huge  tracks  of  land  that  were set  aside  to  protect  large                                                               
ecosystems.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS  noted the  two National  Forests totaling  22 million                                                               
acres  are two  of  the  three largest  National  Forests in  the                                                               
country: Chugachthird  largest, and  Tongassthe  largest. BLM has                                                               
a unique  area, the National Petroleum  Reserve23  million acres                                                                
and 51  million acres scattered  throughout Alaska.  The military                                                               
has  two million  acres, which  includes:  Fort Wainwright,  Fort                                                               
Greely, and Fort Richardson. The  total amount of federal land in                                                               
Alaska is 242 million acres, 60 percent of all of Alaska.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:41:30 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MYLIUS referenced  slide  8  and said  there  are  a lot  of                                                               
different  figures about  how much  land Alaska  has and  that is                                                               
partly because the  state is still having land  transferred to it                                                               
and  at the  same  time the  state is  transferring  land out  to                                                               
municipalities  and  through  land  sales,  etcetera.  The  total                                                               
amount  of land  granted to  the state  totals about  105 million                                                               
acres.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He  detailed  Native  Corporations  will  eventually  receive  46                                                               
million  acres of  land,  12  percent of  the  state. When  ANCSA                                                               
passed,  the  act  referenced  44  million  acres.  However,  BLM                                                               
figures   note  46   million  acres   will  transfer   to  Native                                                               
Corporations.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS noted Native allotments,  other private, and municipal                                                               
land totals five million acres, which is one percent.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He said  people raise the issue  that only one percent  of Alaska                                                               
is  in  private ownership.  The  question  is not  quite  correct                                                               
because  Native  Corporation land  is  private  land, so  private                                                               
ownership  is approximately  13 percent  of Alaska.  Alaska is  a                                                               
huge state  and has very  few people, so  in terms of  per capita                                                               
land  ownership, Alaska  is second  or  third in  the country  in                                                               
terms  of  per capita  private  landownership.  North Dakota  and                                                               
Montana might  have larger private landownership  where there are                                                               
large ranches and large agricultural tracks.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:43:14 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MYLIUS  addressed the need-to-know Alaska's  land history and                                                               
referenced  slide 9  regarding the  Sturgeon cases.  U.S. Supreme                                                               
Court Justice  Elena Kagan wrote  the court's  unanimous decision                                                               
in the  second Sturgeon  decision, [Sturgeon  v Frost,  March 26,                                                               
2019]. He recommended reviewing  Justice Kagan's comments because                                                               
she provides  a well  written and  entertaining short  history of                                                               
Alaska  landownership.  He  referenced  one  of  Justice  Kagan's                                                               
quotes on the importance of understanding the history, she said:                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     We begin,  as Sturgeon I  did, with a slice  of Alaskan                                                                    
     history.  The  United   States  purchased  Alaska  from                                                                    
     Russia  in  1867.  It thereby  acquired  "in  a  single                                                                    
     stroke"  365 million  acres of  andan   area more  than                                                                    
     twice the size of Texas.  You might think that world be                                                                    
     enough  to  go around.  But  in  the years  since,  the                                                                    
     Federal  Government  and   Alaskans  (including  Alaska                                                                    
     Natives)  have alternately  contested and  resolved and                                                                    
       contested and...so forth who should own and manage                                                                       
     that bounty...                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS  added  he  is   going  to  address  those  years  of                                                               
contesting, controversies,  and actions taken regarding  lands in                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He said  slide 10  details prior to  1867, Native  Alaskans owned                                                               
most of  the land  in Alaska through  Aboriginal Title,  but they                                                               
did not have the western  concept of private landownership. A map                                                               
on slide 11 shows territorial  areas for Alaskan Native languages                                                               
that kind  of coincides  with traditional  areas occupied  by the                                                               
different Native peoples of Alaska.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:45:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MYLIUS  referenced  slides   12  and  13  regarding  Russian                                                               
occupancy  from the  1700s  to 1867.  Unlike  the eastern  United                                                               
States where  the colonists  came with the  idea of  settling the                                                               
land,  the Russians  never  had an  intention  to settle  Alaska,                                                               
their  interests  were to  extract  natural  resources, furs  and                                                               
timber were the primary ones.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He noted Russia established several  forts for trade with limited                                                               
settlements in areas around Sitka,  Kodiak, and so on. Russia had                                                               
limited land  claims in terms  of private ownership.  The Russian                                                               
Orthodox Church got deeds to property,  but for the most part the                                                               
Russians  did  not  settle  or   establish  specific  parcels  of                                                               
landownership other than claiming all of Alaska.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS  pointed out a  map on  slide 13 that  showed Russia's                                                               
limited  settlements in  Alaska,  primarily coastal  communities.                                                               
There were settlements in the  Seward Peninsula and Bering Strait                                                               
area, but  no settlements  in northern  Alaska. The  Russians did                                                               
not get very far in the  Interior, the farthest inland was Nulato                                                               
Island [Yukon River], and they  explored further up the Yukon and                                                               
Copper Rivers.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He referenced slides 14 and  15, 1867-Treaty of Cession. In 1867,                                                               
Secretary  of   State  William  Sewardan   influential   guy  and                                                               
President  Lincoln's most  trusted advisornegotiated   the Treaty                                                               
of Cession. After the treaty  passed, the federal government said                                                               
all of  Alaska is federal  propertyexcept  of where  the Russians                                                               
essentially  established   ownership  transfer  to   the  Russian                                                               
Orthodox Church or individuals.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS noted the Russians  never really dealt with the Native                                                               
people  of Alaska  in  terms of  ownership  issues. The  Russians                                                               
never  really claimed  that they  conquered  Alaska Natives,  but                                                               
they  certainly did  not give  them citizenship  or any  property                                                               
rights.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS  referenced slide 15  and detailed Article III  of the                                                               
Treaty of Cession that basically said:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The  uncivilized tribes  will be  subject to  such laws                                                                    
     and  regulations as  the United  States,  from time  to                                                                    
     time,  adopt in  regard  to aboriginal  tribes of  that                                                                    
     country.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He explained  that basically  there was  no settlement  of Native                                                               
land  claims  through  Russian  days or  through  the  Treaty  of                                                               
Cession.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:48:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MYLIUS noted a map shown  on slide 16 detailed the land ceded                                                               
by  Russia to  the  United States.  The actual  map  is from  the                                                               
National Archives and shows Alaska to  be exactly in 1867 what it                                                               
is today as a state.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He  referenced  slide  17,  Early  Territorial  Land  Events,  as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   • 1870: gold discovered at Sundum (SE Alaska)                                                                                
   • 1880s: gold discovered at Juneau and Fortymile                                                                             
   • 1884: District Organic Actfirst federal land law in                                                                        
     Alaska, extended mining laws to Alaska, recognized Native                                                                  
     possession of lands                                                                                                        
   • 1897: Klondike Gold Rush                                                                                                   
   • 1899-1900: Nome Gold Rush                                                                                                  
   • 1900: Kennecott Copper discovered                                                                                          
   • 1903: Alaska open to Federal Homesteading                                                                                  
   • 1906: Alaska Native Allotment Act                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS said  people called the Territory  of Alaska "Seward's                                                               
Icebox"  or  "Seward's  Folly."  However,  there  was  a  lot  of                                                               
interest  in Alaska  shortly after  its acquisition  from Russia,                                                               
particularly by  miners. The  first federal  land law  applied in                                                               
1884  was  the District  Organic  Act  that essentially  extended                                                               
mining laws to  Alaska, but the laws were subject  to Native land                                                               
possession,  a provision  not quite  understood and  not enforced                                                               
very much.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS detailed  there was  a  large influx  of people  into                                                               
Alaska for the  Klondike and Nome gold rushes,  and the Kennecott                                                               
copper  discovery.  The  Alaska Native  Allotment  Actpassed   in                                                               
1906allowed   individual Alaskan  Natives  to acquire  up to  160                                                               
acres of land.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:49:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MYLIUS  addressed  slide 18,  The  National  Perspective  on                                                               
Federal  Lands. He  said about  the time  that the  United States                                                               
acquired Alaska, there  was a movement started in  the country to                                                               
set aside some  of the public lands. The first  National Park was                                                               
Yosemite  in 1864,  followed by  Yellowstone shortly  after that.                                                               
The  federal government  established the  U.S. Forest  Service in                                                               
1905 and  the U.S. Park  Service in 1918. The  federal government                                                               
did not lose sight of its actions when looking at Alaska.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He referenced  slide 19, Pre-Statehood Federal  Land Withdrawals-                                                               
Alaska, as follows:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   • 1868: Pribilof Islands Reserve                                                                                             
   • 1891: Afognak Island Reserve                                                                                               
   • 1907: Chugach and Tongass National Forests                                                                                 
   • 1917: Mount McKinley National Park                                                                                         
   • 1918: Katmai Monument                                                                                                      
   • 1923: Naval Petroleum Reserve                                                                                              
   • 1925: Glacier Bay Monument                                                                                                 
   • National Wildlife Refuges (Ranges): Kenai Moose Range,                                                                     
     Kodiak, Arctic, Aleutians                                                                                                  
   • Indian Reserves                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS said  the land  withdrawals  became significant  when                                                               
addressing  land  that both  the  state  and Native  Corporations                                                               
received.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:51:18 PM                                                                                                                    
He  detailed   slide  20,  Significance  of   Pre-statehood  Land                                                               
Withdrawals, as follows:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   • Largely off limits to Statehood Land Selections (400,000-                                                                  
     acre exception from Chugach and Tongass National Forests)                                                                  
   • Often constrained ANCSA selectionespecially in Parks and                                                                   
     Refuges                                                                                                                    
   • Generally closed these lands to public land laws (such as                                                                  
     mining claims, except National Forest)                                                                                     
   • May defeat State's title to navigable waters                                                                               
   • May alter how certain provisions of ANILCA and ANCSA apply                                                                 
     (old Mt. McKinley, NPRA)                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.   MYLIUS  said   the  withdrawals   often  constrain   Native                                                               
Corporations'   selections,  particularly   National  Parks   and                                                               
Refuges; those  lands closed  public land  laws to  mining claims                                                               
and  homesteadingexcept   for National  Forests  in  the case  of                                                               
mining claimsand  they may defeat  the state's title to navigable                                                               
waters.  The withdrawals  also impact  provisions  of ANILCA  and                                                               
ANCSAbest   example being  old Mt.  McKinley  National Park,  and                                                               
NPRA.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:51:57 PM                                                                                                                    
He  noted a  map on  slide 21  shows the  original colonial  land                                                               
claims that extended as far  west as the British territories. For                                                               
example, Massachusetts had  a land claim that went as  far as the                                                               
Mississippi River and Virginia to  northeastern Minnesota. The 13                                                               
original states decided that any of  the lands to the west of the                                                               
Appalachian Mountains  would cede  to the federal  government for                                                               
carving out new states.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS said  slide 22 explains the carving out  and setup for                                                               
new states through the Land  Ordinance of 1785, which created the                                                               
Public  Land Survey  System for  establishing townships,  ranges,                                                               
and  square  mile  selectionsa   system  that  everybody  in  the                                                               
western states was familiar with.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
He explained  as an  incentive for  states to form  in a  way for                                                               
states to  get revenue, the  federal government said  Section 16                                                                
one section out of the  36 sections for each townshipwould  grant                                                               
the  states trustland   for public  schools. The  first state  to                                                               
receive  such a  grant was  the  state of  Ohio in  1803. As  new                                                               
states came  into the  union, each  state negotiated  their entry                                                               
terms.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS  noted when  California became a  state in  1850, they                                                               
asked for  each township to  receive 2  sections out of  every 36                                                               
sections  because  their  land  was  more  mountainous  than  the                                                               
midwestern states. In 1896, Utah  requested four sections because                                                               
they  claimed their  land  was drier  and  more mountainous  than                                                               
California. Some states argued that  they should get "trust" land                                                               
grants for other public purposes such as prisons, etcetera.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:54:15 PM                                                                                                                    
He  referenced  slide  23  and detailed  the  "trust"  lands  the                                                               
Territory of Alaska received as follows:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   • School Trust: 104,000 acres                                                                                                
   • University (1929): 111,000 acres                                                                                           
   • Mental Health (1956): 1 million acres                                                                                      
   • These are all trust lands: lands must be managed for                                                                       
     fiduciary interest of the trust beneficiaries                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS noted  the "trust"  lands for  mental health  was the                                                               
only mental health  grant ever granted by  the federal government                                                               
because  Alaska's mental  health services  were out  of state  in                                                               
either  Seattle or  Portland. Mental  health advocates  in Alaska                                                               
probably asked  for land or  money, but Congress decided  to give                                                               
one  million acres  to generate  revenues to  provide for  mental                                                               
health services.  The first parcel  granted for mental  health is                                                               
where the Alaska Psychiatric Institute and is in Anchorage.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:55:05 PM                                                                                                                    
He said he  added slide 24, Status of Trust  Land Grants, for the                                                               
legislature's  interests.  In  1978,  the  legislature  dissolved                                                               
those trusts because  there was a push for the  state to sell and                                                               
transfer  more lands  to  municipalities and  to  put some  trust                                                               
lands into, for example, Chugach State Park.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS  detailed  in  the 1980s,  both  the  University  and                                                               
subsequently  Mental Health  sued and  said those  land transfers                                                               
violated the  trust because  they were  not getting  the revenues                                                               
from those lands and land disposals,  or in the case of municipal                                                               
entitlements, there were no  revenues. Basically, the legislature                                                               
had  approved  giving away  University  and  Mental Health  lands                                                               
without compensation  to the trusts.  The courts ruled  the state                                                               
had  violated those  trusts'  responsibilities  and required  the                                                               
legislature  to  reconstitute   those  trusts  with  unincumbered                                                               
original trust lands, and to not  set aside other state lands for                                                               
other uses.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He explained  the "trust" land  grants led to the  [University of                                                               
Alaska  Land  Management] and  the  [Alaska  Mental Health  Trust                                                               
Lands  Office].   The  dedicated  trust  funds   occurred  before                                                               
statehood and are not subject to the Dedicated Funds Provision.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS referenced  slide 25,  Alaska  Statehood Debate,  and                                                               
noted there  was a certain  amount of federal spending  in Alaska                                                               
during  WWII.  The  federal government  largely  provided  public                                                               
services including  roads and schools. Congress  asked how Alaska                                                               
would support  itself as  a state  and statehood  advocates asked                                                               
for a  large federal land  grant without  any strings to  use for                                                               
funding development and state services.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:57:35 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  VON  IMHOF  thanked  Mr.   Mylius  for  his  informative                                                               
presentation.   She   recalled   learning  about   the   lawsuit,                                                               
particularly  the  Mental Health  land,  but  people have  talked                                                               
about the University and their  lands grant office. She asked him                                                               
if  the University  land trust  is an  active, viable,  and cash-                                                               
flowing trust that annually kicks out money.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS answered yes, there  is a land office under University                                                               
management in  Anchorage. He said he  is not sure who  the person                                                               
in charge  is, but they do  have money and receive  a fair amount                                                               
of  money  from   timber  and  parcel  sales.  As   part  of  the                                                               
settlement, they have  an active land-fill program.  The trust is                                                               
a dedicated  fund, and a large  part funds go to  [The University                                                               
of Alaska Scholars  Program to award scholarships  to students in                                                               
the top ten percent of their Alaska high school class].                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He  noted  there is  a  long  history  of controversy  where  the                                                               
University has  argued that  they should  have received  a larger                                                               
land grantAlaska's  university land  grant was smaller than every                                                               
state other  than Rhode Island,  but some people argue  that part                                                               
of   Alaska's  large   statehood  grants   were  meant   for  the                                                               
University.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS  said  the  legislature over  the  years  has  passed                                                               
various  legislation to  transfer land  to the  University. There                                                               
was  a proposal  in  Congress  to transfer  some  of the  state's                                                               
entitlement  out of  the  Tongass, but  the  legislation did  not                                                               
pass. There are constitutional  questions with transferring state                                                               
land to the  University. The legislature did pass  two bills, but                                                               
a previous governor vetoed one bill and it went to court.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:00:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE   noted  earlier  discussions   about  transfer                                                               
issues. He  asked him if there  is another section where  he will                                                               
talk about dates,  timing on the remaining  state land transfers,                                                               
and what is holding up the transfers.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS  answered yes, he will  specifically address transfers                                                               
during  his Alaska  Statehood  Act overview  and  will provide  a                                                               
recap on where all the entitlements remain.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He referenced  slide 27, Alaska  Statehood Act. He said  there is                                                               
often  confusion on  how many  acres Alaska  has, and  people say                                                               
103.35  million acreswhich   was  in the  actbut   that does  not                                                               
include the million  acres the Mental Health  Trust received, the                                                               
UA  grant,  and subsequent  changes  that  increased the  state's                                                               
entitlementCook   Inlet  Land   Exchange  increased  the  state's                                                               
entitlement by a half million acres.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS  detailed  there  were two  sections  in  the  Alaska                                                               
Statehood  Act that  granted  lands  to the  state,  one was  the                                                               
Community  Grant,  Section  6(a),  which was  a  small  grant  of                                                               
400,000 acres via  the National Forests and 400,000  acres out of                                                               
BLM.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He said  the [Section 6(b)]  General Grantthe  big grant  with an                                                               
area  the size  of Californiawas   102.5 million  acres from  BLM                                                               
land; that  excluded the pre-statehood withdrawals  noted earlier                                                               
in his  presentation as off  limits: Mt. McKinley, the  NPRA, the                                                               
Arctic Refuge, and so on.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He noted Section 6(m) of the  Alaska Statehood Act applied to the                                                               
Submerged  Lands  Act, and  Section  4  acknowledges Native  land                                                               
rights that were unresolved at the time the act passed.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:03:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MYLIUS said  slide 28 shows a couple of  unique provisions of                                                               
Alaska's land  grant that differed  from any other  state. Alaska                                                               
was able  to select its lands,  noting he believes all  the other                                                               
states'  grants were  specific sections  of lands.  Sections were                                                               
originally  sixteens,  then  sixteen  and  thirty-six,  and  then                                                               
sixteen  and thirty-three.  Alaska was  able to  select from  any                                                               
vacant and unappropriated federal land  which was most of the BLM                                                               
and Forest Service lands within  the state at the timethe  Forest                                                               
Service limit was 400,000 acres.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He noted the unique provisions also  gave Alaska 25 years to file                                                               
its land selectionsamended  to 35  years in ANILCA because of the                                                               
"(d)(2)" debatesand   ANCSA basically made it  impossible to meet                                                               
that 25-year deadline, and they are not "trust" lands.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS referenced  slide 29  and noted  the National  Forest                                                               
Community Grant [Section  6(a)] was unique where  the state would                                                               
receive a smaller grant of 400,000  acres out of both the Chugach                                                               
and Tongass  National Forests. The  grant required the  lands had                                                               
to   be  adjacent   to  established   communities  suitable   for                                                               
prospective  community centers  and recreation  areas; that  went                                                               
into litigation  to define that  because the state wanted  to use                                                               
some of its land selections for  forestry and minerals out of the                                                               
Tongass.  Through a  settlement  agreement, the  state agreed  to                                                               
only select land for those  purposed in the Alaska Statehood Act.                                                               
The selections  allowed the  state to create  most of  the Marine                                                               
Parks in Prince William Sound and Southeast Alaska.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS noted  maps  on  slides 30  and  31 that  illustrated                                                               
Southeast Marine  Parks and Prince  of Wales Island. He  said the                                                               
Alaska  Statehood  Act constrained  the  purpose  of the  state's                                                               
selections but did not constrain  the state after its selections.                                                               
The  state can  harvest timber  off those  National Forest  lands                                                               
selections and  some selections ended  up in the  Southeast State                                                               
Forest created by the legislature a few years back.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:05:48 PM                                                                                                                    
He referenced  slide 32  and noted Section  6(i) is  an important                                                               
part  of the  Alaska  Statehood  Act which  said  all state  land                                                               
grants will  include minerals but  requires the state  to reserve                                                               
minerals and any  sales or other disposalswhich   means the state                                                               
can  never dispose  of the  mineral estate  through a  sale or  a                                                               
disposal.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS explained because of  Section 6(i), whenever the state                                                               
sells land  or transfers landlike   to municipalitiesthere   is a                                                               
mineral  reservation  to  the  state  under  AS  38.05.125  which                                                               
basically says  the state  is retaining  the mineral  rights. The                                                               
section has  been an issue  at times, especially 15-20  years ago                                                               
when the  state proposed a large  natural gas sale in  the Mat-Su                                                               
Valleymostly    the  Susitna   Valleyand   the   property  owners                                                               
realized  they did  not own  the minerals  under their  land. The                                                               
section  can become  an issue,  particularly when  the state  has                                                               
sold or transferred the land to a municipality.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He said  Section 6(i) is also  why state mining claims  can never                                                               
go to  patenta  claim going  to patent is possible  under federal                                                               
law in  theory but hardly  anybody has received a  federal mining                                                               
patent in  quite a few  years. The state  needs to deal  with the                                                               
patent  issue to  retain  the minerals  and  land exchanges.  The                                                               
section  also  complicates  land exchanges  dealing  with  Native                                                               
Corporations' subsurface ownership.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:07:16 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MYLIUS addressed  slide 33, state Land Grants,  and noted the                                                               
slide gets  to part of  the question that Senator  Micciche asked                                                               
about the status of the grants.  The state has received about 100                                                               
million  acres  to  date.  The  federal  government  patented  or                                                               
surveyed  69 million  acres to  the state  with 31  million acres                                                               
tentatively  approved. The  Alaska Lands  Act confirms  tentative                                                               
approval  is  titledbut   it  just  means  those  lands  are  not                                                               
surveyedand that is really a BLM workload issue.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS noted there are  current issues where BLM has proposed                                                               
cutting  some  of  the  corners   of  surveying  that  the  state                                                               
disagrees  with  because  the  state argues  that  is  a  federal                                                               
responsibility to  adequately survey  the land before  they issue                                                               
the patents.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He summarized  the state  has received 100  million acres  out of                                                               
105  million acres  and noted  he  will address  the remaining  5                                                               
million acres.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:08:14 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MYLIUS referenced slide 34,  Promised Landthe  last 5 million                                                               
acres.  The   federal  government   has  largely   fulfilled  the                                                               
University, School, and Mental Health  grants. The remaining five                                                               
million acres,  the State,  under ANILCA,  can top-file  on lands                                                               
currently  not available  because  of  an administrative  federal                                                               
withdrawal  and  one  of  those  is  the  [Trans-Alaska  Pipeline                                                               
System]  (TAPS) corridor  that follows  the Dalton  Highwayabout                                                                
two million  acresthat  the state  has coveted  forever. However,                                                               
the  state   cannot  get  the   lands  because  of   the  federal                                                               
withdrawal. BLM issued a Land Use  Plan a month ago that proposes                                                               
to revoke  that withdrawal,  but the  plan is  only a  draft plan                                                               
subject to  public comment and that  is one of the  big issues to                                                               
deal with.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He  said he  believes the  state  has narrowed  down the  acreage                                                               
amount  it  wants in  the  TAPS  corridorless  than  two  million                                                               
acresbut  the  state is  holding on to  some of  its entitlements                                                               
specifically to get the corridor  land because the parcel is more                                                               
valuable  than  some piece  of  tundra  the  state could  get  in                                                               
western Alaska.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS noted there is about  one million acres that the state                                                               
is  holding because  there are  various inholdings,  particularly                                                               
mining claims because  a lot of miners with  federal claims would                                                               
prefer to operate under state  claims. There is process that BLM,                                                               
the state, and the miners  use to transfer federal mining claims                                                                
considered  inholdings because  the  federal government  excluded                                                               
the claims when they transferred the land to the state.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He  added  there  is  various   chunks  of  landoften   close  to                                                               
communitiesthat  the  state could get,  but the state  cannot get                                                               
the land  until the  federal government  surveys all  ANCSA land,                                                               
and that  essentially is a  survey issue resolving all  the final                                                               
ANCSA conveyances.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS noted  that state also has  selections via top-filings                                                               
on  military  landslands   such   as  Fort  Richardson  and  Fort                                                               
Wainwrightthat  the  state could  hold those selections  in place                                                               
for  50  or  100  years  in  case  the  federal  government  ever                                                               
surpluses any  of those properties  versus taking tundra  land in                                                               
western Alaska.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:11:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MYLIUS noted  in slide 35, state-owned  Navigable Waters, the                                                               
state  also  owns  60-65  million   acres,  defined  under  three                                                               
categories:  shorelands, tidelands,  and submerged  landsdefined                                                                
in state statutes.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He detailed  shorelands are lands  under inland  navigable waters                                                               
such as the  Susitna, Tanana, and Gulkana  Rivers, acquired under                                                               
the  Equal  Footing  Doctrine  which  is  when  the  original  13                                                               
colonies became  13 states where they  reached certain agreements                                                               
and  every other  state  that  enters the  Union  comes in  under                                                               
"equal  footing" with  those agreements.  One  agreement was  the                                                               
state, not  the federal government,  would own land  under inland                                                               
navigable watersthis  includes  waters within Conservation System                                                               
Units established  after statehoodbut  it may  not include waters                                                               
within those units established prior to statehood.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS said  as a side note, the John  Sturgeon case fed into                                                               
the second [state-owned navigable  waters] category. Mr. Sturgeon                                                               
was  on a  state-owned water  within a  Conservation System  Unit                                                               
established after statehoodthe  Nation  River which the state has                                                               
a  court  decision  that  says  it  is  a  state-owned  navigable                                                               
waterbodybut  the  river flows within  the outer boundaries  of a                                                               
Federal  Park created  under  ANILCA,  and that  had  led to  the                                                               
dispute.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He  explained state-owned  tidelandslands  under  tidal influence                                                               
between high  tide and low tidethat   the state also owns  out to                                                               
the  three-mile   territorial  limit  under  the   Equal  Footing                                                               
Doctrine Submerged Lands Act.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS  noted slide  36, What  are the  state-owned Navigable                                                               
Waters, and one of the big  issues is the state acquired title to                                                               
its navigable  waters in  1959, but  there are  no lists  of what                                                               
they are and there is disagreement about what is navigable.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:13:00 PM                                                                                                                    
He referenced  slide 37, Multiple Legal  Definitions of Navigable                                                               
Waters  and  Navigability,  and explained  he  is  talking  about                                                               
"title for navigability  purposes," which means who  owns the bed                                                               
of the navigable watersit  has been  defined by over 150 years of                                                               
federal court cases  and is not to be  confuses with navigability                                                               
definitions used  for the Clean  Water Act within the  [U.S. Army                                                               
Corps  of  Engineers'] jurisdiction  or  the  [U.S. Coast  Guard]                                                               
authority.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS addressed  slide 38 on the  determination of navigable                                                               
waters and  noted a landmark  case[U.S.  Supreme Court  in Daniel                                                               
Bell (1870)]. He paraphrased the court's ruling as follows:                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          Susceptible of being used, in their ordinary                                                                          
     conditions, as commerce, over which trade and travel.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He explainedfrom   slide 39there   are several ways  to determine                                                               
navigability and  one is  through the  federal courts.  The state                                                               
has gone to federal court and  a landmark case the state cites is                                                               
the Gulkana  River which established  the commercial  rafting and                                                               
susceptibility for  commercial rafting and commercial  uses would                                                               
define navigability in Alaska.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS said  the Gulkana River case is  important because the                                                               
time  a state  becomes  a state  defines  navigability. Prior  to                                                               
Alaska, the last  state under the Union Act was  Arizona in 1914.                                                               
Arizona has two  navigable waters within the state,  so there are                                                               
not a  lot of good federal  precedents out of any  of the western                                                               
states. The  states that have a  lot of navigable waters  go back                                                               
to the  days before people  had motorized crafts. So,  Alaska was                                                               
charting new ground.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He  noted  a case  where  Alaska  tried  to assert  a  floatplane                                                               
established navigability  in the Slopbucket Lake  case. The court                                                               
ruled an  airplane is not  a boat and the  state did not  own the                                                               
bed of the lake just because airplanes can land on it.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS said the state  has always asserted that anything that                                                               
meets the  Gulkana River criteria should  be navigable. Sometimes                                                               
federal agencies and ANSCA Corporations  disagree with the state,                                                               
but the  only way to resolve  that is through Quiet  Title, or if                                                               
the state and the federal  governmentBLMcan   reach an agreement.                                                               
BLM will  typically issue a Recordable  Disclaimer of Interestan                                                                
active project that BLM and DNR  have been working on for quite a                                                               
few years.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:15:31 PM                                                                                                                    
He  noted  slide  40,  Impact  of  Pre-Statehood  Withdrawals  on                                                               
Ownership of  Navigable Waters, and  referenced his  earlier talk                                                               
about  the pre-statehood  withdrawals of  Mt. McKinley,  Tongass,                                                               
and  Chugach.   Depending  on   area  definitions,   the  federal                                                               
government could retain ownership  of the navigable waters within                                                               
the pre-statehood withdrawals.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS said  the landmark case before the  U.S. Supreme court                                                               
was  Utah  Lakethe   largest  lake  in Utah  that  is  clearly  a                                                               
navigable waterbodywithdrawn   at the  time Utah became  a state.                                                               
The U.S. Supreme Court said, "No,  you have to make it real clear                                                               
that  you are  including  the  waters and  that  you intended  to                                                               
defeat the state's title to  those navigable waters." That became                                                               
a big issue in Alaska's North Slope.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:16:39 PM                                                                                                                    
He addressed slide 42,  Pre-Statehood Withdrawals-NPRA and Arctic                                                               
National  Wildlife Range,  and noted  a U.S.  Supreme Court  case                                                               
where the state thought was an island called Dinkum Sands.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He explained  Dinkum Sands is  more than three miles  offshore of                                                               
Prudhoe   Bay  shoreline   and   beyond   the  three-mile   state                                                               
territorial limit. However, the state  argued Dinkum Sands was an                                                               
island  and  therefore was  state  land  with a  three-mile  ring                                                               
around it. There happened to be  a lot of oil under Dinkum Sands,                                                               
so it  was worth  going to  court to  fight about  whether Dinkum                                                               
Sands was a state-owned island.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He said the court ruled that  the state does not own Dinkum Sands                                                               
because it is  not an island since that area  emerges above water                                                               
a couple of times a year  due to unique water and ice conditions.                                                               
The court ruling  meant the federal government  gets the revenues                                                               
from Dinkum  Sands. However,  because the case  went to  the U.S.                                                               
Supreme Court, the state included some other legal issues.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS  noted there was  an issue about the  [Arctic National                                                               
Wildlife  Refuge (ANWR)formerly   known  as  the Arctic  Wildlife                                                               
Range]established  after statehoodand   whether that defeated the                                                               
state's  title. The  boundary of  ANWR goes  offshore to  barrier                                                               
islandswithin   the  boundary  of  ANWR that  would  normally  be                                                               
state-owned waters between the barrier  islands and the shorebut                                                                
the court  said, "No, the  refuge defeated the state's  title and                                                               
more significantly  on contemporary  issues," the same  thing was                                                               
true of  the National  Petroleum Reserve  established in  1923 by                                                               
President Harding.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He  referenced  a  map  on slide  43,  BLM's  National  Petroleum                                                               
Reserve-Alaska  (NPRA),   to  illustrate  the  boundary   of  the                                                               
reserve. He  pointed out  the boundary  near Wainwright  and near                                                               
Utqiagvik  goes  offshore and  includes  what  normally would  be                                                               
state-owned  waters.  However,  because   those  are  within  the                                                               
boundary  and the  U.S. Supreme  Court ruled  the withdrawal  was                                                               
meant to defeat the state's title to those, they are off limits.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS  noted a similar situation  in NPRA and pointed  out a                                                               
"blue blob"  on the righthand  corner of the map  that identified                                                               
Teshekpuk  Lake.  Again, that  would  normally  be a  state-owned                                                               
waterbodyTeshekpuk   Lake is  one  of the  largest  lakes in  the                                                               
statebut  because of  the U.S. Supreme Court  decision, the state                                                               
does not  own the  lake's bed,  so it  is the  federal government                                                               
that decides about oil and gas leasing in Teshekpuk Lake.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:18:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MYLIUS   referenced  slide  44,   Pre-StatehoodGlacier   Bay                                                               
Monument and  Tongass National Forest,  and noted the  state also                                                               
went  to court  over Glacier  Bay  regarding an  issue about  who                                                               
regulates  fishing  within  the former  National  Monumentnow   a                                                               
National  Park.  The  U.S.  Supreme  Court  ruled  Alaska's  pre-                                                               
statehood withdrawal did defeat the state's title.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He noted because the state could  go directly to the U.S. Supreme                                                               
Court, the  state included  other disputes.  One dispute  was the                                                               
Tongass marine  waters that are  more than three  miles offshore                                                                
areas between islandsand  who regulated  those; that was an issue                                                               
that had  to do with  where you could dump  waste as well  as the                                                               
unspoken question  about whether the federal  government retained                                                               
the  marine   waters  of  the  Tongass   National  Forest.  Since                                                               
statehood, the  state managed the  marine waters, but  there were                                                               
always people  in the U.S.  Forest Service that said  those might                                                               
be federal waters.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS said  the U.S.  Supreme Court  affirmed a  disclaimer                                                               
that the  federal government  issued to say  "no, the  state owns                                                               
those"  to clear  that up.  That expanded  to include  the inland                                                               
navigable waters  in the Tongass through  a reportable disclaimer                                                               
issue with the Stikine River.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He addressed slide 45 on  why navigable waters ownership matters.                                                               
He  explained  whoever  owns  the  bed of  the  water  for  title                                                               
purposes determines if state laws  govern use of the riverbed and                                                               
waterway  and decides  who gets  the  mineral rights  and so  on.                                                               
Regardless,  the  Alaska  Constitution  governs  public  use  and                                                               
private  ownersand   occasionally  federal  agenciesmay   try  to                                                               
restrict the uses the state believes the constitution protects.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS  referenced slide 46,  Alaska's State-Owned  Land: 165                                                               
million acres. He explained the amount  of land the state owns in                                                               
title is about 165 million  acreseventually  105 million acres up                                                               
uplands and  60-65 million acres of  tidelands through shorelands                                                               
and  submerged landsan   area equal  to  California, Oregon,  and                                                               
Washington combined,  making Alaska the second  largest landowner                                                               
in the United States next to the federal government.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:21:23 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MYLIUS addressed  slides  47-48, State  Constitution-Article                                                               
VIII. He  said the  people that  drafted the  Alaska Constitution                                                               
knew the  importance of state  lands. Someone told him  Alaska is                                                               
the  only state  that has  a  whole article  of its  constitution                                                               
dedicated  to natural  resources. Some  court issues  and federal                                                               
lands  disputes   tie  directly   to  the   Alaska  Constitution,                                                               
including subsistence issuesnoted  on the  last point on slide 47                                                               
regarding fish, wildlife, and waters available for common use.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He  added  slide  48  includes  constitutional  requirements  for                                                               
public notice, the ability to stake mining claims, and so on.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.   MYLIUS  noted   he  included   slide  49,   Municipal  Land                                                               
Entitlements, as  an issue  of interest  to the  legislature. The                                                               
state shares  its lands  bounty with  municipalities in  the form                                                               
of, "Municipal Land Entitlements."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  municipalities  receive   10  percent  of  vacant,                                                               
unappropriated,  unreserved state  landdefined   in statute.  The                                                               
act passed in 1978 and  granted specific acreage and entitlements                                                               
to the boroughs that existed.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS  said  an entitlement  example  includes  the  Mat-Su                                                               
Borough  receiving the  most generous  entitlement355,210  acres                                                                
because  there  is a  lot  of  state  land  in the  borough.  The                                                               
Municipality  of Anchorage  never received  its full  entitlement                                                               
because  most of  the big  chunks of  state land  are in  Chugach                                                               
State  Park  or  at  the  Anchorage  International  Airport.  The                                                               
municipality reached  a settlement  agreement in 1986,  but there                                                               
may be  some outstanding state landlike   DOT propertiesthat  the                                                               
municipality  could someday  get  if they  are  surplused by  the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He referenced  slide 50, State  Land Selections1960s.   The state                                                               
was able  to select what  lands that  they got but  was initially                                                               
cautious. The  state selected lands around  communities, but some                                                               
smart  geologists  at  the [Alaska  Division  of  Geological  and                                                               
Geophysical Surveys]  (DGGS) suggested selecting land  at Prudhoe                                                               
Bayone of the state's earliest land selections.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:24:09 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MYLIUS  noted the state then  decided to branch out  and file                                                               
state selection  claims near Native communitiesslide   51, Native                                                               
Claims-1960s.  As  a result,  Native  communities  said, "Wait  a                                                               
minute, the  State of  Alaska has  been around  for six  or seven                                                               
years  and  just  filed  claims  on the  land  right  around  our                                                               
village." Native communities  started to file land  claims and by                                                               
1966  the Secretary  of Interior  announced the  state would  not                                                               
receive any  more land  until it dealt  with the  aboriginal land                                                               
claimsthose claims covered 80 percent of Alaska by 1968.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He said  the Prudhoe  Bay oil  discovery in  1968 kind  of forced                                                               
Congress  to  deal  with  the  Native claims  to  allow  for  the                                                               
building of a  pipeline from Prudhoe Bay to a  deep-water port in                                                               
Cook  Inlet or  Valdez,  which  resulted in  the  passage of  the                                                               
Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act (ANCSA) in 1971.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS  referenced slides 52-63 regarding  the key provisions                                                               
of  ANCSA. He  noted with  ANCSA, the  federal government  took a                                                               
different approach to  dealing with Native lands  versus how they                                                               
dealt  with  it  in  the  Lower 48.  In  the  East,  the  federal                                                               
government pushed  Native people  off their  lands and  gave them                                                               
lands in the more central and  western parts of the country; they                                                               
were reservations  held in  trust by  the federal  government and                                                               
the  Native  tribes did  not  own  their lands  outright,  Alaska                                                               
Natives said they wanted a different deal.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  what  ANCSA did  was  extinguish  aboriginal  land                                                               
claims.  The  Treaty of  Cession  acknowledged  they were  Native                                                               
people but  there was  no lands  agreement. The  Alaska Statehood                                                               
Act acknowledged that there were  Native lands rights and claims,                                                               
but  they were  unresolved.  ANCSA was  the  final resolution  of                                                               
aboriginal land claims.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS   noted  ANCSA  provided   land  near   villages  for                                                               
subsistence and community  uses, provided economic opportunities,                                                               
and provided  for Native ownership.  They are private  lands, not                                                               
trust  lands or  reservations,  they are  tribal  lands. He  said                                                               
because Alaska  Natives had essentially  aboriginal title  to all                                                               
of Alaska,  there was  a billion dollars  set aside  basically as                                                               
compensation for the lands not conveyed back to the Natives.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He  referenced  slide  55  and   detailed  ANCSA  established  13                                                               
regional and  224 village corporations. Stockholders  were Alaska                                                               
Natives  living  on the  date  the  Act  passed in  1971.  Alaska                                                               
Natives  could enroll  in a  regional corporation  and a  village                                                               
corporation, receive stock,  and there was a  billion dollars set                                                               
aside as compensation for the lands not conveyed.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:27:09 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MYLIUS  addressed  slide 56,  ANCSA  Regional  Corporations.                                                               
There was a  unique ownership split in terms of  ANCSA land where                                                               
the regional  corporations received the sub-surface  estate under                                                               
the village  landsexcept  in pre-ANCSA National  Wildlife Refuges                                                               
and  NPRAand   they  received  additional   acreage  based  on  a                                                               
population and  area formulas. The  result of that,  for example,                                                               
Doyon received  a huge land  grant, making  Doyonhe  believesthe                                                                
largest private landowner in the country.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He  detailed the  total  amount of  surface  and subsurface  that                                                               
Native  Regional  Corporations  got  was 17  million  acres.  The                                                               
Regional Corporations also received  the subsurface under village                                                               
lands,  cemetery and  historic sites,  and a  70 percent  revenue                                                               
sharing provision.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS  referenced  the  map on  slide  57,  ANCSA  Regional                                                               
Corporation  Boundaries,   and  noted   the  map   shows  Doyon's                                                               
geographic areain  terms of the  stateis  very large due to their                                                               
large  population and  number of  villages, and  they received  a                                                               
very large land grant.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He  noted slide  58,  ANCSA Village  Corporations, and  explained                                                               
they  received surface  estate, required  to select  lands around                                                               
their  villagesthe   amount  of  land was  a  function  of  their                                                               
population.  The  smallest  villages received  three  "townships"                                                               
which was  69,000 acres, the largesthe   believesis  6 townships.                                                               
The ANCSA villages received 22 million acres of land.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS said the Tlingit-Haida  villages in Southeast received                                                               
23,000 acres because  there was a previous settlement  due to the                                                               
formation of Tongass National  Forest. The Tlingit-Haida villages                                                               
had received a monetary  compensation through court decisionsthe                                                                
compensation came through in the 1960s.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He noted slide 59, ANCSA-Provisions  for Indian Reservations, and                                                               
detailed   reservations  existed   at   the   time  of   ANCSA14                                                                
reservations with 13 extinguished  by ANCSA. The reservations had                                                               
the choice  of either  taking simple  title to  their reservation                                                               
land, receiving surface and subsurface,  or getting the provision                                                               
similar to other  villages where they received  the split between                                                               
the regional and village corporations.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.   MYLIUS  said   large   reservations   receiving  a   larger                                                               
entitlement and  basically took the  simple title  provision. For                                                               
example, St.  Lawrence Island  is over a  million acres  of land,                                                               
the  Gambell and  Savoonga Native  corporations  jointly own  the                                                               
land.  Similarly, Arctic  Village and  Venetie had  a very  large                                                               
reservationjust   south of  the Arctic  Wildlife Refugeand   they                                                               
took simple  title as did  Tetlin in  eastern Alaska and  Elim on                                                               
the  Seward Peninsula.  Those that  had small  reservations opted                                                               
for the  regular provisions for  ANCSA villages.  One reservation                                                               
on  Annette Island,  Metlakatla Reservation,  opted out  of ANCSA                                                               
entirely.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:30:09 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MYLIUS addressed slide 60,  ANCSA Section 17(b). He explained                                                               
the provision requires access across  ANCSA lands to public lands                                                               
and  watersstate   or  federalbut   there are  a  lot  of  issues                                                               
related  to identification  and management.  Public access  is an                                                               
important part of ANCSA.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He referenced slide 61, Select  ANCSA Amendments, and noted ANCSA                                                               
has  received amendments  a whole  bunch of  times. He  suggested                                                               
knowing what the  amendments are when reviewing ANCSA  due to its                                                               
changes over time.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS addressed  slides 62-63  regarding ANCSA  and federal                                                               
lands. He  said one other  provision in ANSCA deals  with federal                                                               
lands  and  note  native  lands.   He  noted  from  a  historical                                                               
perspective, the environmental  movement was kind of  born in the                                                               
1960s.  There  was  the  Wilderness  Act and  there  was  a  huge                                                               
controversy  about Redwood  National  Park. The  first Earth  Day                                                               
took place in 1970, the  National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA)                                                               
passed  in 1970,  and the  Environmental Protection  Agency (EPA)                                                               
formed  in 1970.  So,  ANCSA  comes along  in  1971 and  Congress                                                               
inserted Section 17(d)(1) and Section 17(d)(2).                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He  noted   slide  63,  ANCSA  Section   17(d)(1).  He  explained                                                               
"17(d)(1)"  still  lives  on  and  it  allows  the  Secretary  of                                                               
Interior to  withdraw lands  from entry  under public  land laws,                                                               
withdraw lands for  mineral entry, leasing, sales,  for study and                                                               
classification; many of these withdrawals are still in place.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS said  in 2004,  Congresswith  the  urging of  Senator                                                               
Murkowskipassed  the  Alaska Land Transfer Acceleration  Act. The                                                               
Act required  BLM to  finally look  at the  [17(d)(1)] withdrawal                                                               
parcels and  see if some  of them  could go away,  made available                                                               
for mineral entry, or to speed up the transfers to the state.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He  noted on  January  19, 2021right   before the  [presidential]                                                               
inaugurationthe  Secretary of Interior  revoked 9.7 million acres                                                               
of  17(d)(1)  withdrawals  in northwest  Alaska  and  the  Seward                                                               
Peninsulait  was a  land use plan that  BLM adopted approximately                                                               
15 years ago that called  for those relocationsbut  the Secretary                                                               
of Interior had  to do the actual act; that  is the biggest chunk                                                               
of 17(d)(1) withdrawals ever revoked, a big accomplishment.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:32:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MYLIUS   referenced  slide  64,  BLM   Map:  ANCSA  17(d)(1)                                                               
withdrawals. He  said the 17(d)(1)  withdrawals shown on  the map                                                               
is a  little more alarming than  one might think because  most of                                                               
the  purple  areaswhich   are 17(d)(1)  withdrawalsare   actually                                                               
within National  Parks and National Wildlife  Refugesare  kind of                                                               
irrelevant.  However, the  green  areas are  the  areas that  are                                                               
active  BLM lands  where there  is  Section 17(d)(1)  withdrawals                                                               
that could result in revocation. He  pointed out on the map areas                                                               
numbered 4, 5, and  a little bit of 7, that is  some of the areas                                                               
where BLM  just revoked some  of those withdrawals. He  noted the                                                               
salmon-colored corridor  in the area  labeled 3, is  the "PL5150"                                                               
Dalton  Highway  corridor  that he  previously  mentioned;  BLM's                                                               
current  draft plan  proposes to  revoke  itit  is  not a  (d)(1)                                                               
withdrawal but  is different and  withdrawn for  the construction                                                               
of TAPS.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He  addressed slide  65, ANCSA  Section 17(d)(2),  a big  part of                                                               
ANCSA  that  was  hugely   controversial.  He  explained  Section                                                               
17(d)(2)  allowed the  Secretary of  Interior to  withdraw public                                                               
lands  from  state  and  ANCSA  Regional  Corporationsup   to  80                                                               
million  acresfor   study  as  future  National  Interest  Lands.                                                               
During the 1970s there was a  huge debate in Alaska between 1971                                                                
when ANCSA passed  and Section 17(d)(2)and  1980  when the Alaska                                                               
Lands  Act passed,  a  huge  debate about  what  lands should  be                                                               
permanently set aside as National Interest Lands.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:34:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MYLIUS  noted slide 66, "(d)(2)"  LandsExamples  of Disputes.                                                               
He  said  the  Wrangell  Mountainsthat  is  where  the  Kennecott                                                               
copper deposit  is, the richest  copper deposit in  historyis  in                                                               
the middle  of what is  now a National Park  and there was  a big                                                               
issue.  The question  was  whether  the area  should  be open  to                                                               
mining,  timber harvest,  and  preserving  its watershed.  ANILCA                                                               
preserved  the  area,  and  it is  now  the  [Wrangell-St.  Elias                                                               
National Park and Preserve Alaska],  the largest national park in                                                               
the country.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS  said  timber production  versus  wilderness  in  the                                                               
Tongass National Forest  was another huge dispute.  In the 1970s,                                                               
there were large timber contracts  with two pulp mills during the                                                               
"(d)(2)" debate,  but there was  a big push to  create wilderness                                                               
areas. The Tongass  is one area where ANILCA  compromised and set                                                               
aside a  number of areas  for wilderness  as well as  a provision                                                               
that required a certain amount of  timber harvest; that is one of                                                               
the compromises that  became undone by the  Tongass Timber Reform                                                               
Act.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS remarked  ANILCA was  a  lot of  compromises and  the                                                               
Tongass  is   a  good  example   where  there   were  significant                                                               
compromises   between  timber   interests   and  the   wilderness                                                               
preservation interest. One of the  compromises that has not quite                                                               
heldoil  and  gas in the  Arctic Coastal Plainwas  an  issue that                                                               
Congress  "punted on"  in  1980 when  ANILCA  passed. The  Arctic                                                               
Coastal  Plain was  a big  controversy fought  about in  "(d)(2)"                                                               
debates, and nobody  could decide what to do and  they decided to                                                               
study it and let somebody else decide.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He noted  some of  the decided  areas included  earlier proposals                                                               
for "(d)(2)"  units included  a National  Wildlife Range  in what                                                               
today is  the [proposed Pebble  Mine] site. The state  argued for                                                               
keeping the  area for state  ownershipnobody  thought  there were                                                               
significant mineral deposits  in the area during  the debate, the                                                               
Pebble deposit discovery  did not occur until  the late 1980sbut                                                                
it  was an  issue  in  terms of  whether  the federal  government                                                               
should retain the area.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He said another big issue  during the "(d)(2)" debate was whether                                                               
creating  a  National Park  like  Yellowstone  would impact  what                                                               
Alaskans like to do.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:37:09 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MYLIUS addressed slide 67, 1980-ANILCA, as follows:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   • Created or expanded National Parks, Wildlife Refuges,                                                                      
     National Forests, National Monuments, and other federal                                                                    
     land designations.                                                                                                         
   • New Conservation System Unites (CSUs) areas totaled about                                                                  
     106 million acres                                                                                                          
   • Protected federal lands now total 137 million acres (37                                                                    
     percent of the state)                                                                                                      
   • ANILCA established new wilderness areas                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He referenced slides 68 and  69, AcreageBefore  and After ANILCA,                                                               
as follows:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   • National Park System                                                                                                       
        o Before: 7.5 million                                                                                                   
        o After: 54 million                                                                                                     
        o Net: +46.5 million                                                                                                    
   • National Wildlife Refuges                                                                                                  
        o Before: 23.3 million                                                                                                  
        o After: 77 million                                                                                                     
        o Net: +53.7 million                                                                                                    
   • National Forests                                                                                                           
        o Before: 19 million                                                                                                    
        o After: 22 million                                                                                                     
        o Net: +3 million                                                                                                       
   • BLM National Recreation/Conservation Areas                                                                                 
        o Before: 0                                                                                                             
        o After: 2.2 million                                                                                                    
        o Net: + 2.2 million                                                                                                    
   • Other BLM                                                                                                                  
        o Before: 200+ million acres                                                                                            
        o After: 72 million acres                                                                                               
        o Net: -125 million                                                                                                     
   • Designated Wilderness                                                                                                      
        o Before: 0.1 million                                                                                                   
        o After: 57 million                                                                                                     
        o Net: +56.9 million                                                                                                    
   • Wild and Scenic Rivers                                                                                                     
        o Before: 0                                                                                                             
        o After: 0.6 million                                                                                                    
        o Net: +0.6 million                                                                                                     
   • Total National CSUs                                                                                                        
        o Before: 30.8 million                                                                                                  
        o After: 137 million                                                                                                    
        o Net: +106 million                                                                                                     
   • Note: "Before" acreages are estimates and exclude 1978                                                                     
     Monuments                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS explained National Forests were a significant part of                                                                
the Tongass set aside as federally designated wilderness where                                                                  
none had existed before.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He noted  BLM received two  unique areas to manage,  the National                                                               
Conservation  Area and  the White  Mountains National  Recreation                                                               
Area. Also, the change in BLM  acreage was due to all the acreage                                                               
for  National Parks  and National  Wildlife Refuges  came out  of                                                               
previously managed BLM lands.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:39:09 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MYLIUS  addressed slide 70  and said ANILCA included  a whole                                                               
bunch of  amendments, many  were land  adjustments based  on some                                                               
corporations not wanting their lands within the new CSUs.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS  referenced slide  71, 2021Remaining   Land Transfers,                                                               
as follows:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   • 2 million acres still to transfer under ANCSA                                                                              
   • 7 million acres to survey/patent under ANCSA                                                                               
 • 5 million acres still to be transferred to State of Alaska                                                                   
 • About 19 million acres of State selections and topfilings                                                                    
   • Many State selections overlap ANCSA selections and Native                                                                  
     Allotments                                                                                                                 
   • 36 million acres to survey/patent to State                                                                                 
   • About 250 Native Allotment parcels to transfer                                                                             
   • New Veteran Native Allotment Program in 2019 Natural                                                                       
     Resource Management Act (S 47)                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He explained  topfilings refers to  land currently  not available                                                               
for  some reason  because of  a federal  withdrawal or  competing                                                               
claim.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYLIUS noted  there is  a lot  of overlapping  between ANCSA                                                               
selections and the state selection.  However, the rules as to who                                                               
gets what  are clear,  there are no  disputes, and  the transfers                                                               
are  just  a  matter  of  getting the  last  land  surveyed.  For                                                               
example,  a   Village  Corporation   generally  trumps   a  state                                                               
selection and the  Regional Corporation maybe not,  but the rules                                                               
are all real  clear so there is not disputes  so much between the                                                               
state and Native Corporations.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He said  there is  a whole new  Veteran Native  Allotment Program                                                               
that just  passed in 2019 that  BLM is in the  process of rolling                                                               
out. BLM is  trying to identify the  "(d)(1)" withdrawals because                                                               
they  act   as  area  transfer  constraints   under  the  Veteran                                                               
Allotment Program.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:40:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MYLIUS  referenced slide  72,  Three  Laws to  Remember,  as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   • Alaska Statehood Actgranted land to the State (1958)                                                                       
   • Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act(ANCSA) resolved                                                                        
     aboriginal land claims (1971)                                                                                              
   • Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act (ANILCA)                                                                   
     designated federal conservation units and legislated unique                                                                
     provisions for public use (1980)                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS  said understanding the  Alaska Statehood  Act, ANCSA,                                                               
and how they lead up to ANILCA is important.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:41:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK thanked  Mr. Mylius for his  informative overview. He                                                               
asked  him to  elaborate  on "(d)(1)"  withdrawals  and how  that                                                               
affects Native allotments.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS explained  the "(d)(1)" withdrawals go  back to ANCSA,                                                               
put into place  to both enable the Native villages  to file their                                                               
ANCSA land  selections and to  allow BLM  to look at  those lands                                                               
for figuring out  if some require protection. They  were meant as                                                               
temporary  withdrawals  but have  been  in  place for  almost  50                                                               
years. The  withdrawals have prevented  mining claims  and Native                                                               
allotments until they go away.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He said he believes  BLM has not got to a  point where people are                                                               
actually  filling  their  Native  allotment  claims  because  the                                                               
bureau is still  sorting out eligibility. The issue  is a federal                                                               
BLM question  as to how  that program operates,  but it is  a new                                                               
program.  BLM is  working  with the  [Bureau  of Indian  Affairs]                                                               
(BIA) to identify who is eligible and what lands are available.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:43:13 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   REVAK   summarized   the  administration   removing   the                                                               
revocation  of those  withdrawals continues  to tie  up the  land                                                               
that would  otherwise be open  for the Native  Veterans Allotment                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS answered yes, but not revoking those withdrawals.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE asked if he may  meet with him and Roger Pearson                                                               
to further address  the continuous erosion of  state rights under                                                               
the Alaska Statehood Act, ANILCA, and a little bit of ANCSA.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYLIUS answered yes. He noted  he has worked with Mr. Pearson                                                               
and others via the Institute of  the North to address the erosion                                                               
of knowledge of what is in  the Alaska Statehood Act, ANILCA, and                                                               
ANCSA.  He  said  Alaskans, federal  land  managers,  and  "fresh                                                               
faces"   from   administration    changeswhether    Democrat   or                                                               
Republicanhave   no understanding  of  the  compromises in  those                                                               
past federal laws.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK thanked  Mr. Mylius for providing  the committee with                                                               
important information  on what the [federal  government] promised                                                               
Alaska  throughout  the  history  of the  state,  something  that                                                               
deserves focus.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:47:46 PM                                                                                                                    
There being no further business to come before the committee,                                                                   
Chair Revak adjourned the Senate Resources Standing Committee                                                                   
meeting at 4:47 p.m.                                                                                                            

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